All Discussions Tagged 'Line' - Arapahoe Tea Party2024-03-28T09:14:30Zhttp://arapahoeteaparty.ning.com/forum/topic/listForTag?tag=Line&feed=yes&xn_auth=noLine Item Veto Powertag:arapahoeteaparty.ning.com,2010-09-30:3186561:Topic:58862010-09-30T16:38:49.000ZMack Mhttp://arapahoeteaparty.ning.com/profile/MackM
<p><span lang="EN" style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" xml:lang="EN">As a true fiscal conservative, I believe as most reasonable people would, that our President, regardless of party affiliation, needs to have the power and authority for a "true" line item veto on appropriations issues. Such a power must be limited to appropriations issues only, and Congress must have the means to redress any veto.</span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">As a true fiscal conservative, I believe as most reasonable people would, that our President, regardless of party affiliation, needs to have the power and authority for a "true" line item veto on appropriations issues. Such a power must be limited to appropriations issues only, and Congress must have the means to redress any veto.</span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">This law is necessary because Congress has routinely and overtly abused it's constitutional power for appropriations, is fiscally irresponsible, is wasting tax-payer dollars, has damaged our children and grand-children's futures by strapping them with high taxation without representation and no benefit, is purposefully and malishiously deflating the American dollar which is a hidden tax on all Americans, has deliberately created a debt-burden on Americans that has the real potential for destroying America and all that was good about it. </span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">There is no hope in sight that Congress would ever give up such abuse even if it means the certain financial destruction of the United States of America, and it is now for the American people to restrain Congress by force of law.</span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">Presidents from both major affiliations have asked Congress for this authority and Congress has repeatedly denied it. They deny it for votes and campaign contributions. However. they claim that it gives the President too much power. But that argument only holds up when not examined.</span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">Resolving this one issue would do more to help the country by:</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN"> 1. promoting fiscal restraint and helping both the President and Congress to achieve fiscal responsibility, and</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN"> 2. forcing Presidents to be more answerable to the people for the legislation they sign into law, and</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN"> 3. forcing corrupted politicians to bring irresponsible spending and pork into the daylight for all to examine and debate, and</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN"> 4. helping eliminate Congresses persistent immoral and unethical deceit from adding unpopular, and generally un-needed, last minute amendments, to popular and needed bills, and</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN"> 5. preventing politicians from skewing the truth in regards to other politicians voting records by forcing them to vote for bills contained otherwise objectional spending, and</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN"> 6. allowing the government to NOT have to be shut down when a President is forced to veto an entire appropriations bill because it's objectional, and</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN"> 7. forcing Congress and the President to consider every bill on it's merits without having issues of conscience and conflict of interest over voting for, or signing into law, bills containing unrelated hidden issues, and</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN"> 8. forcing our politicians at the federal level, to consider America first, over the tempations and pressures of lobbyists thereby fostering the restoration of the public trust and honor in serving, and</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN"> 9. lowering the burden on tax payers and businesses, and</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN"> 10. strengthening America's overall wealth, standard of living, and economy by having ample financial reserves and capacity, and</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN"> 11. reducing and/or eliminating America's debt reliance on China and other foreign countries, and</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN"> 12. allowing more flexibility to deal with economic catastrophes as they happen, and</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN"> 13. allowing voters the ability to gauge a politician based on their "true" voting record, and</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN"> 14. reducing political advertising distorting other politicians records, and</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN"> 15. forcing Congress to reduce the bickering and get along with each other, by eliminating some contentious issues inserted into legislation, and</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN"> 16. increasing America's favorability about Congress and our elected officials, and</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN"> more.</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN"> 17. providing a more focused debate, and</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN"> 18. forcing Congress to actually work, and work together,</span> <span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">and</span> <span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">...much more.</span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">There are no real downsides to a line item veto. There's nothing but positives for a fiscally strong America and every American no matter their party affiliation. Everybody wins!</span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">This one power would allow more fiscal balance between the office of the President and the Congress. It would force fiscally irresponsible politicians to be more answerable to the American public, and their constituents, as a whole. The only negative effect is upon those corrupted politicians who would sacrifice America in order to garner a few personal favors and campaign contributions from a few corrupted people. </span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">A Line Item Veto would not:</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN"> 1. prevent Congress from spending on any issue, pork included, and</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN"> 2. prevent Congress from introducing legislation of any kind, and</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN"> 3. prevent Congress from re-introducing Presidentially vetoed items for debate and passage, and</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN"> 4. prevent Congress from overriding a Presidential veto, and</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN"> 5. prevent our elected officials, should they still choose to do so, from being bad Americans, working against the greater good of America, and being scoundrels, which shame us all. They can still do all this, but have to do it in the sunshine and not the dead of night.</span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">Constitutional Admendment Needed?</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">I highly doubt that a bill could be passed without challenge as to it's constitutional correctness. Therefore, I would support pushing for a new admendment to the Constitution supporting a line item veto for appropriations. I would probably not support an adment for a line item veto of non-fiscal issues as that could be abused by future Presidents and provides too much power.</span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">Here's my suggestion:</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">That we, as Americans who believe in restoring fiscal responsibility, honor, and sanity to our government, make a master-list all politicians who advocate against a line item veto and who have previously voted against a line item veto and that we cast them out, plain and simple. </span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">In my mind, politicians who stand against a line item veto are necessarily in favor of fiscal irresponsibility.</span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">And that we move to elect candidates who will pledge, in writing and in public, to sponsor and support a line item veto bill should they be elected, and aggressively pursue it's passage as their "top" legislative priority. And any who change their mind find themselves unelectable.</span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">That we promote by means of the media, a negative public awareness of such fiscally irresponsible people and outline the actual harm they bring and have brought to America by exposing their tactics to public sunshine, and</span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">In this effort:</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">I am advocating that we form a Tea Party National Task Force dedicated specifically to this issue to bring a laser focus on the topic. We need one committee with this one, and only this one, agenda.</span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">We should force all politicians whether they're incumbents, established, or a new candidate, to decide the issue publically, and up-front.</span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">And that we create a national list of voters of all affiliations who agree to vote and to commit to vote for fiscally responsible candidates regardless of party who will push for a Line Item Veto.</span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">The Danger As I See It:</span></p>
<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">I for one, am a staunch fiscal conservative, but also socially liberal. Others may be social conservatives by whatever definition they adhere to, and there are many definitions as far as I can tell. </span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">Social viewpoints contain the seed of defeat for this agenda by associating it with and asserting their non-fiscally related social viewpoints. </span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">Social viewpoints have to be restrained by those who care about this issue in order to create wide alliances amongst all Americans regardless of the party they favor, or their social outlook. </span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">There are many positive reasons why members of any political affiliation would support this effort as long as they're not put off by people with an unrelated social perspective and agenda. </span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">Therefore, part of this committee’s platform needs to address this concern so that it's comfortable for all to participate. Passage of such a constitutional admendment has to be the primary goal and the committe need to stay pure to that effort. It will likely be non-affilated independents who will decide which candidates that progress to leadership and therefore whether we get an admendment, and they are generally turned off from the infighting from non-related issues. </span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">I mention this because I have seen how a great movement like the Tea Party movement has been derailed in many cases by those with a non-fiscally related social agenda. </span></p>
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<p><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-ansi-language: EN" lang="EN" xml:lang="EN">So how do we do this? How do we effectively get this started?</span></p>
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